1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:06 am

Hi all

I have been messing around with a pilot torso for some time trying to find an easy to use material. After trial and error(s) with various products I have settled on a "Smooth-on" epoxy putty.

Below is the result of the first out of the mould which I might say is not perfect but very close.
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He is 1/4 Scale and wearing a "B" Type British Helmet. The head is separate and could be made servo controlled.

I also have a WWI German head which I will mould today and a RFC chap in the making.

I'm happy to supply painted or unpainted if anyone out there would like one ... or more.

I have no plans to do full body pilots...lower arms and gloved hands maybe. I'm happy to talk with anyone about the product.

He weighs only 86 grams ..a little over 3 oz. The putty is very light .. it floats, and the wall thickness while irregular probably averages only 3mm. It is pretty sturdy however.

My grand plan, as yet to be executed, is to come up with a range including WWII, early Jet Pilots and civilian. Also 1/5th and 1/3 versions.

I'm not interested in modelling anyone in particular as that requires a different level of skill and time. I take my hat off those who choose that option. However, the vast number of wartime pilots were of course "Joe average".

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Above are a couple of pics of a finished article. The painting of the face is an art in itself and I'm no expert at that at this point. But people seem to think they're OK. My photography does him no favours either!

I'm happy to talk if there's interest out there.



Cheers .. Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:48 pm

Hi Brian,
I joined last week, because I came across your thread.
I build a Bucker Jungmann 1/3 scale and am looking for a pilot.
Your pilot is a 1/4 scale, but according to the pictures and part of your hand, the size is probably not far of.
The size I am after is 255/260mm, chin to top of head.
Please can you tell me the size of your pilot and tell me what you charge for a unpainted and a painted model.
thank you for your cooperation,
Kind regards,
Jaap.

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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:16 pm

Hi Brian,
The measurements I gave you were totally wrong and must be: 55/60mm.
Sorry about that!
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:45 pm

Hi Jaap

My 1/4 scale measures 65mm from chin to top of head. A "large " human head is regarded as being around 280mm from chin to top. That = 93mm at 1/3rd scale.

I would be happy to provide a either a head or a complete torso. Painted the cost is $55.00 unpainted $35.00. Plus shipping.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks .. Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:07 pm

Hi Brian,
Is there a possibility to extend the arms to full length. As you can see in the picture, the pilot need to hold the stick. I can probably do it myself, but don't have the colour of the jacket. The bottom part of the body plus legs are not a problem for me to make.
If this is not possible or to much hassle, tell me.
I like to buy the pilot head plus body, tell me how much I owe you and where to transfer the money.
By the way, do you live in the Waikato area, so that I can pick it up if ready.
I live in Matamata.

Regards,
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:43 am

Hi Brian,
With these pictures you get the idea that I need a full size body.
Jaap
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:45 am

the cockpit
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:46 am

the cockpit
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:31 am

Hi Jaap

1/4 scale will look really small. The head needs to be around 83mm from chin to top. I can add some arms to existing but it would not compliment your beautiful model the way it should.

How about I make a 1/3rd head for you, maybe some hands? The rest could be made in the same way a rag doll is crafted?

Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:21 pm

Hi Brian,
If I enlarge the head from 65mm to 93mm, as you suggested, I have to enlarge the body the same way, and that is 143%. The body, as you can see on the enclosed drawing, is 185mm. If I increase this with 143%, the total length of the body plus head will be 357mm.That means the top part of the pilot extends 90mm, and that means that the pilot looks out over the top wing and that is not scale at all.
The pilot on the drawing has a total length of 250mm and when I put it in the seat, his eyes look a couple of mls over the edge of the front of the cockpit.
According to one of the pictures I have of a full-size plane with pilot, the size of 250mm is pretty accurate.
What do you think of this.

Brian if you make the arms, I like to have them separate so that I can move them in the right position.
Am I correct as I say the arms are cut of at the elbows?

Can you tell me by how much the total cost will increase if you make the arms?
Thank you for being so patient with me.
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:52 pm

Hi Brian,
Do you know that the website, www.acesofiron.com, gives you a good idea of the different scale sizes.
That is where I got the size of 65mm head from.
On the "product" page at the bottom is a complete list.
Click on it and an other window comes up, put your curser on it and move the wheel of you mouse over it, than the 1/4 and 1/3 scales come up.
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:26 pm

Something wrong here Jaap
I have just done the following exercise.

1/4 to 3rd Scale is 33.3% increase. As an example ... 1/4 of 120mm = 30mm. 1/3 of 120mm = 40mm. So, 30 x 1.333= 39.999mm.

So, 65mm x 1.333 = 86.645mm. These dimensions give a chin to head top of 260mm in real life, which is probably slightly above average. Obviously my measurement of 95mm is incorrect also.

I will have a look at the website you suggest.

Cheers .. Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:39 pm

Yes Jaap, I see the site ... very helpful.

So where to from here?

I could make you a 1/3rd Scale head. Or, I could look at making arms for a 1/4 scale existing pilot figure, but he would look like a pre-teenager in size.

Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:42 am

Hi Brian,
You take the view that the length of a male head is 28cm, but I found on the internet that the average size is 22cm. My head measures 22cm as well.
So if we go to 1/3 scale, the size of the pilot head will be 220:3=73mm and a 1/4 scale equals 55mm., so your size of 65mm is somewhere in the middle of these two numbers.
Do you agree, or am I wrong with this calculation.
To make a long story short, your pilot with a size of 65mm is a little shorter from 73mm, but I think that is fine with me and I think it will not look like a preteenager, ha-ha.
Give me an idea what you charge for the arms and I am happy with your 1/4 scale pilot.

I can tell you I am impressed with your pilot model. Did you model it out of clay and made a mould of it later on?
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:39 pm

Hi Jaap

I have a 1/4 Scale head of a German chap wearing a WWI leather helmet, not one of the reinforced types. Same dimensions as the one you've seen on this thread. I think that would be more fitting than RAF style head gear?

The head and the body are moulded separately. To make arms that move or are adjustable could take some time. Can you give me an acute measurement of the distance from the seat back to the control column. His right forearm would be extended across and out from his body to the stick. His left should be on the throttle.

I will put a photograph of the head in question up tomorrow ...I call him Herman. The other guy is Charles!

Yes I make them in clay and make either Urethane or Silicon moulds.

Thanks for the kind comments.... Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:59 am

Sorry to drag the chains on this Jaap, but here is Herman.

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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:09 pm

Hi Brian,
I can't get a good impression of Herman. To be honest, I am happy with Charles.
OK, the Bucker Jungmeister is a German plane, but I am flying with this one under the Swiss flag.
So I made up my mind. Please make me a Charles and his arms. Don't fix them to his body, so that I can move them and tell me if I have to pay you in advance.
In the attachment you 'll find the measurement from the back of the seat to the dashboard and hope it is sufficient information to work with.
Cheers,
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:15 pm

Forgot to submit the drawing.
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby DH100 » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:15 am

Hi Jaap
Sorry to drag this out but I have had a few other things on my plate.
As he his, the pilot body has his upper arms attached. I can't remove them. What he lacks is forearms, that is he has no arms from the elbow.

I will make a template of the rest of the arm length required and see how the measurement compares to your drawing. Apologies again for the delay.

Cheers .. Brian
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Re: 1/4 Scale Pilot Torso

Postby J.Hanepen » Tue Apr 15, 2014 3:00 pm

Hi Brian,
Don't worry man, first of all, I can fly the plane without a pilot, it took a few years to build the plane and other things are more important, so a few weeks or month more is no problem.
Yes that is what I actually meant, the forearm instead of the whole arm.
Good luck,
Cheers
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